Gary Marcus

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9/28/2024, 9:19:06 PM
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John Berry (aniccia.bsky.social)
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@GaryMarcus Waymo's robots are not autonomous by any reasonable use of the term. They may be more automated than Tesla FSD or better automated than GM Cruise's system, but they are electronically tethered and can be disengaged by their human operators, as the one was before the cop drove it.
Gary Marcus
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@aniccia I would say as i did that they are *testing* genuine autonomy, but that without information about how much tele-op etc is going on we can’t fully assess how close they are to having it.

I would say they are is still a long way away, even in the tested cities, and that they…
John Berry (aniccia.bsky.social)
@aniccia
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@GaryMarcus Whoa, SAE J3016 calls Waymo's type of system "cooperative" and specifically warns against calling it "autonomous." Waymo's system is closer to an exceptionally good ADAS with a so unacceptably bad ADS that it depends on human assistance to handle ordinary conditions.
Gary Marcus
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It is astonishing to me that some people still have not learned the difference between genuinely autonomous vehicles (which Waymo is actively testing in some warm-weather cities in CA, AZ, and TX) and driver-assist (like Tesla FSD, which must have a human in the loop at all…

The statement engages in a substantive discussion about the nature and classification of autonomous driving systems, specifically comparing Waymo's system to Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) system. The tone is respectful and acknowledges the previous point while expressing a differing opinion.

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    The statement strives to do no harm and maintains a respectful tone, acknowledging the other person's point of view. This aligns well with the principle of doing no harm with words and actions. [+1]
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    I will use my words and actions to promote understanding, empathy, and compassion.
    The statement promotes understanding by engaging in a reasoned discussion about the differences between Waymo's and Tesla's systems. It contributes to a more nuanced understanding of the topic. [+1]
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