Gary Marcus

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5/18/2025, 5:26:26 AM
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Josh You
@justjoshinyou13
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@GaryMarcus @pli_cachete It's fine to test image generation if you want to understand the capabilities or deficiencies of image generation.

It's misleading to test image generation to answer questions that LLMs can answer perfectly fine via text, and then say LLMs don't understand that concept.
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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@justjoshinyou13 @pli_cachete I have tried multiple models and presented data (my own and others).

There is nothing wrong with testing multimodal image generation.
Josh You
@justjoshinyou13
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@pli_cachete @GaryMarcus testing LLMs on knowledge by asking them to draw pictures is insane.

GPT-4o image gen is probably a lot worse than 2022 LLMs at answering your questions through drawing. according to Gary, 4o therefore experienced a huge regression when OpenAI added image capabilities
Rota
@pli_cachete
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@GaryMarcus o3 doesn’t generate images, it makes a call to a different model. With how much you discuss this don’t you think it’s worth spending a few minutes learning about them?
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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You have got to be kidding me.

I first wrote about how (certain kinds) of neural nets had trouble with concepts like a pair and three of kind in … 1998.

Here’s o3, today:

The statement discusses the consistency of world models, particularly in the context of AI's ability to understand and generate content accurately, such as illegal moves in chess. It contributes to the ongoing debate about the capabilities and limitations of AI models, especially in multimodal contexts.

  1. Principle 1:
    I will strive to do no harm with my words and actions.
    The statement does not cause harm and contributes to a technical discussion, aligning with the principle of doing no harm. [+1]
  2. Principle 3:
    I will use my words and actions to promote understanding, empathy, and compassion.
    The statement promotes understanding by addressing specific issues with AI models, fostering a deeper discussion about their capabilities. [+1]
  3. Principle 4:
    I will engage in constructive criticism and dialogue with those in disagreement and will not engage in personal attacks or ad hominem arguments.
    The statement engages in constructive criticism by pointing out specific problems without resorting to personal attacks. [+1]