Gary Marcus

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5/18/2025, 5:30:32 AM
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Josh You
@justjoshinyou13
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@GaryMarcus @pli_cachete 4o can list accurate poker hands
Josh You
@justjoshinyou13
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@GaryMarcus @pli_cachete without qualifying whether or not they can solve that problem with a text answer
Josh You
@justjoshinyou13
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@GaryMarcus @pli_cachete It's fine to test image generation if you want to understand the capabilities or deficiencies of image generation.

It's misleading to test image generation to answer questions that LLMs can answer perfectly fine via text, and then say LLMs don't understand that concept.
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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@justjoshinyou13 @pli_cachete I have tried multiple models and presented data (my own and others).

There is nothing wrong with testing multimodal image generation.
Josh You
@justjoshinyou13
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@pli_cachete @GaryMarcus testing LLMs on knowledge by asking them to draw pictures is insane.

GPT-4o image gen is probably a lot worse than 2022 LLMs at answering your questions through drawing. according to Gary, 4o therefore experienced a huge regression when OpenAI added image capabilities
Rota
@pli_cachete
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@GaryMarcus o3 doesn’t generate images, it makes a call to a different model. With how much you discuss this don’t you think it’s worth spending a few minutes learning about them?

The statement engages in a discussion about the capabilities and limitations of multimodal models, particularly in rendering images compared to text. It questions the effectiveness of these models, contributing to a broader debate on AI capabilities.

  1. Principle 1:
    I will strive to do no harm with my words and actions.
    The statement does not cause harm and is part of a technical discussion. [+1]
  2. Principle 3:
    I will use my words and actions to promote understanding, empathy, and compassion.
    It promotes understanding by questioning the limitations of multimodal models, encouraging further exploration. [+1]
  3. Principle 4:
    I will engage in constructive criticism and dialogue with those in disagreement and will not engage in personal attacks or ad hominem arguments.
    The statement engages in constructive criticism without personal attacks. [+1]