Gary Marcus

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6/9/2025, 4:01:49 PM
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@VraserX
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@GaryMarcus I’m not ignoring augmentation, I’m saying speculation about “unknown math-specific augmentation” is just that, speculation.
Unless there’s concrete evidence that these newly written, unpublished tasks were seen or closely mimicked in fine-tuning, the result still stands,
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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9d
@VraserX You are absolutely ignoring what i said about augmentation,
and if you continue to do so, i will opt out of the discussion.
VraserX e/acc
@VraserX
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9d
@GaryMarcus These problems were written on-site, after model weights were frozen, and given under NDA, so no, they weren’t in the training data. That’s kind of the whole point.

Math is just where reasoning is easiest to measure. The same toolchain already shows strong results in code,
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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9d
@VraserX 1. Those specific problems may not have been seen in the training set, but then again we have NO IDEA what math-specific augmentation OpenAI has done. Similar problems may have in the training set/fine tuning/RL etc; only OpenAI knows how much that might or might not be true. (We
VraserX e/acc
@VraserX
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9d
@GaryMarcus https://www.scientificamerican.c…

The whole point of the Berkeley experiment was to avoid contamination.
All math problems were newly invented, never published, never online, not seen in any training set.
And still, o4-mini solved most of them faster than the human authors.

This isn’t
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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9d
@VraserX link?

the main issue here is that the results on math don’t seem to generalize well to many domains, suggesting data contamination and/or heavy math-specific data augmentation (which is in easier in math than other domains because of verifiability etc).

by the way, computers

The statement is part of a public discourse on the topic of AI's capabilities in solving math problems and the potential data augmentation involved. The conversation involves a debate on the validity of AI's performance in a controlled experiment and whether there is any undisclosed augmentation influencing the results.

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