Gary Marcus

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Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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239d
Total strawman.

I never said “AI is useless” (e.g., I love web search, GPS route planning, web search, recommendation engines and computational photography — and use all of those daily.)

I never even said LLMs are useless; I often say they are useful for brainstorming and
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Lawrence Chan
@justanotherlaw
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48d
@GaryMarcus @ohabryka I’m sure you haven’t said that LLMs won’t be useful, literally! You’ve just repeatedly and insistently highlighted specific problems with every LM generation, most of which were improved upon by the next.

Again, I think there are good criticisms you make, eg that o3 is not “PhD
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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48d
@justanotherlaw @ohabryka do you know how many times i have said LLms have some used and that AGI ≠ useful?

done for today
Lawrence Chan
@justanotherlaw
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48d
@GaryMarcus @ohabryka My point is “solving one of the major problems” doesn’t seem to be necessary for a model to be very useful to many people. If the takeaway from “AI hasn’t solved your major problems” is “AI can’t do things IRL”, then that takeaway is incorrect. If it’s the narrower point, I
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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48d
@justanotherlaw @ohabryka and it still hallucinates, more than some predecessors, has trouble with complex reasoning that it’s not trained on etc. for me a major advance would have to solve at least one of the major problems i have emphasized for years, and i don’t see that it does.
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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48d
@justanotherlaw @ohabryka the o3 they showed in the video was probably a staged demo announced before it was a real product

even after they did more work it didn’t actually seem to do some of the things they promised.

so i see your point but also know that a lot of demos aren’t real or have problems
Lawrence Chan
@justanotherlaw
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48d
@GaryMarcus @ohabryka Nope! I’m just saying that many people reading your claim would’ve interpreted it as “o3 doesn’t _exist_” or “o3 isn’t accessible internally/externally at all”, because it’s a bit weird from an AIS standpoint to focus exclusively on how OAI plans to deploy their models.

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