Gary Marcus

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7/20/2025, 2:40:00 AM
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Surya Ganguli
@SuryaGanguli
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@GaryMarcus If I take their word at face value that there are no symbolic tools and it’s just an LLM, then that is very impressive. I am glad you used that word too in describing it. I also would love to know more.
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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@SuryaGanguli no. but i also have almost no idea what they did, in terms of either training (including eg augmentation) or architecture, nor how generalizable it will be, and Sam made it clear that it won’t be available for inspect for many months. i already note that it came with a
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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74d
Hot take on OpenAI’s IMO gold

What does it mean? I don’t know (yet).

The fact that no tools, coding or internet was used is genuinely impressive.

That said, my overall impression is that OpenAI has told us the result, but not how it was achieved.

That leaves me with many
Surya Ganguli
@SuryaGanguli
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74d
@GaryMarcus Did you ever think an LLM with no symbolic tools would win an IMO gold?
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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74d
Quote of the day:

I certainly don't agree that machines which can solve IMO problems will be useful for mathematicians doing research, in the same way that when I arrived in Cambridge UK as an undergraduate clutching my IMO gold medal I was in no position to help any of the

The statement is part of a technical discussion about the capabilities of language models (LLMs) and their potential to solve complex mathematical problems, such as those in the International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO). The conversation involves experts in the field discussing the implications and transparency of OpenAI's achievements. This constitutes public discourse as it engages with public issues related to AI technology and its impact on society.

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