Gary Marcus

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5/18/2025, 1:38:19 PM
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@uhbif19
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@GaryMarcus @davidmanheim @XRobservatory People with prosopagnosia do not recognise faces. Does that mean that they are not understanding the idea of face?
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@uhbif19
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@GaryMarcus @davidmanheim @XRobservatory All blind-from-birth people cannot recognize shapes (apart from their topological properties), even once they get vision. Lev Pontryagin is one of them, and he made important advancements in differential topology. Do you thing he did not understood what square is?
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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@davidmanheim @uhbif19 @XRobservatory So you are saying that the image generation is not (despite superficial appearances) properly tethered to a world model, correct?

Let’s start there.
David Manheim
@davidmanheim
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@GaryMarcus @uhbif19 @XRobservatory It's not a test of the world model because image generation is using diffusion to generate something in the latent space of images it was trained on, not something in the language model.

It's like saying hand-eye coordination is part of understanding; it's kind-of true, but, no.
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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@uhbif19 @davidmanheim @XRobservatory I documented a multiple similars one for ChatGPT (not o3) in text but curious why everyone thinks image generation is not a legitimate test of a systems “world model”
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@uhbif19
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@GaryMarcus @davidmanheim @XRobservatory But it does not make errors like that in text. It just have bad image comprehension, that is all.

The statement is part of a technical discussion about AI's ability to understand and generate images, which is a public issue related to technology and its implications. The tone is inquisitive and seeks clarification, contributing to the dialogue.

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