Gary Marcus

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5/18/2025, 1:41:42 PM
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@uhbif19
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@GaryMarcus @davidmanheim @XRobservatory All blind-from-birth people cannot recognize shapes (apart from their topological properties), even once they get vision. Lev Pontryagin is one of them, and he made important advancements in differential topology. Do you thing he did not understood what square is?
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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@davidmanheim @uhbif19 @XRobservatory So you are saying that the image generation is not (despite superficial appearances) properly tethered to a world model, correct?

Let’s start there.
David Manheim
@davidmanheim
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@GaryMarcus @uhbif19 @XRobservatory It's not a test of the world model because image generation is using diffusion to generate something in the latent space of images it was trained on, not something in the language model.

It's like saying hand-eye coordination is part of understanding; it's kind-of true, but, no.
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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@uhbif19 @davidmanheim @XRobservatory I documented a multiple similars one for ChatGPT (not o3) in text but curious why everyone thinks image generation is not a legitimate test of a systems “world model”
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@uhbif19
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@GaryMarcus @davidmanheim @XRobservatory But it does not make errors like that in text. It just have bad image comprehension, that is all.
Gary Marcus
@GaryMarcus
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@davidmanheim @uhbif19 @XRobservatory What’s your theory of the psychology of a system that can make an error like that?

The statement is part of a public discourse on the capabilities and limitations of language models (LLMs) and their image generation abilities. It critiques the tendency of LLMs to inaccurately generate images, suggesting a systematic issue that requires further examination. The tone is analytical and critical, aiming to highlight a perceived flaw in AI systems.

  1. Principle 1:
    I will strive to do no harm with my words and actions.
    The statement does not use harmful language but critiques the functionality of LLMs, aligning with the principle of doing no harm. [+1]
  2. Principle 3:
    I will use my words and actions to promote understanding, empathy, and compassion.
    The statement aims to promote understanding of the limitations of LLMs, aligning with the principle of promoting understanding and empathy. [+1]
  3. Principle 4:
    I will engage in constructive criticism and dialogue with those in disagreement and will not engage in personal attacks or ad hominem arguments.
    The statement engages in constructive criticism of LLMs without personal attacks, aligning with the principle of engaging in constructive dialogue. [+1]